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I tried talking to neighbours but they said all they can do is talk to their kids and suggested I install a gate (I don’t really want a gate on my driveway if I can help it). I installed a CCTV camera which records the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this area of my driveway and front garden, the public footpath is not in frame. I got a visit from the local PC and PCSO this morning who said the parents had complained that my camera is recording their kids and I need to remove the camera “because it’s recording images of minors”. I explained and showed them the footage so it’s clear that no public highway is visible and it’s literally only my property in frame. She said “yes but it’s recording video of minors when they are playing on your driveway” I said to her they shouldn’t be on my driveway it’s my property. She just said “you still can’t record images of children”. She said I have 3 days to remove the CCTV camera or she will take the matter to her Sergeant who will return with “relevant paperwork to deal with this”.

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I was under the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this impression that I can record CCTV of my own property and if kids are playing on my driveway and ending up in my footage, that’s their problem not mine. I am an ex officer and I agree. You are fine to record your own premises. You are also fine to record public areas immediately outside your own property. Your right to film in public eg on a phone or video camera is different to your rights and obligations to use CCTV. Yes, but your rights and obligations for CCTV aren’t that it’s a criminal offence to do it, which is the only thing the police should be getting involved in. Tell them to come round after they ask every supermarket, corner shop, high street retailer, and whatever other businesses, to remove all of their CCTV as well if a child has ever set foot on their premises, and see how the respond. Head up to the police station with a child and ask them to remove all their CCTV! Would love to see the gormless looks on their faces. Unless she can tell you exactly what law you are falling foul of and what mechanism they will use to require the cameras to be removed then just ignore it. Tell her to go get the requisite paperwork as she has offered to do. She won’t be able to since you aren’t doing anything wrong.
Phone 101 and make a complaint. Inept cops need a lesson and won’t learn any other way. Put up the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this appropriate signage for the cctv to keep yourself right. The police that came to see you need retraining. There’s no law against filming anything in public. Especially your own property! Even if the PC goes to their sergeant to get the ‘relevant paperwork’ they’ll end up having to buy cakes for the station as a fine after being laughed at by her colleagues. I actually think it’s just an empty threat. The general public aren’t very well educated on their legal rights and a lot of people take what the police will tell them as being legit. The only way these police officers and pcsos will get educated is when they are reprimanded for bullying tactics. NAL but this is bs, tell them to jog on and put up a sign dating cctv is being recorded, then post the video of them on your property being idiots. The law only kicks in if you are recording outside the bounds of your property – the ICO has good guidance on this. You’ve done nothing wrong. Even then, the ICO themselves say that nothing will come out of it. The laws surrounding domestic CCTV usage are almost completely toothless:

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You can complain to us when a user of domestic CCTV doesn’t follow the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this rules. We can send a letter asking them to resolve things, eg put up the appropriate signage or respond to data protection requests. There is a limited amount of action the ICO can take after this point to make the person comply. It is highly unlikely the ICO will consider it fair or balanced to take enforcement action against a domestic CCTV user. If you ask a domestic CCTV user for copies of footage that captures your image or voice and they refuse, you can complain to us. We can write to the person and ask them to provide you with the footage. That is the extent of the action we can take. We cannot force a person to remove their cameras. It is highly unlikely the ICO will consider it fair or balanced to take enforcement action against a domestic CCTV user.
This is from the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this guidance you were probably referring to: in any case, if it’s outside your property it’s not an automatic “no”, it’s merely not an automatic “yes” i.e. you now have to be able show that the use of CCTV is justified ^ this, the line I heard was that if you’ve got good reason (EG OP mentioned damage to cars) it would be OK to film those even if they’re not on your property. NAL but this sounds to me very much like typical Neighbourhood PC & PCSO trying to box this off because it’s easier to try to fob you off than it is to actually do their jobs and deal with the kids’ parents. Our local PCSO has asked us more than once to check our Ring footage when a crime has been committed in our cul-de-sac, so I’m sure if we were breaking the law she would have said so. If what they were saying is true, we’d all have to take our Ring doorbells and driveway cameras down in case we inadvertently record trick & treaters/children singing carols/my neighbours’ children delivering Christmas cards etc who step foot on our property. Your camera is only recording your own property, and as such is not infringing on anyone else’s privacy. I’d suggest putting a Ring sticker/CCTV sign up and leaving it at that. If and when the Neighbourhood PC/PCSO comes back, escalate it to their Inspector – and above, if necessary. Our ex-neighbour’s children used to climb over the fence and into our garden, so we installed CCTV and took a screenshot of the footage to the parents to prove that their children were trespassing. They got the police got involved, and the police told us we had done nothing wrong as we were only recording our property.
Pcso can suck a fat one, theyre just trying their luck with bullying tacticks. Its your property , and filming only your property so you are well within your rights. If you reallt wanna cover your back chuck up a “cctv in operation” sign. Then anyone walking onto your property have the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this ability to decide whether they wanna be caught on camera or not. If they dont they leave, otherwise they dont have a leg to stand on ….I’ll get my sergeant on you?. Totally uneducated in law. Tell them to run along before you sue for harassment. She said I have 3 days to remove the CCTV camera or she will take the matter to her Sergeant who will return with “relevant paperwork to deal with this” Recording minors could potentially depending on circumstances be an issue if they were on public property but the fact is they are not.
If OP has the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this PCs shoulder number I don’t think it’s unreasonable to contact the police station and ask to speak to their sergeant themselves. I imagine this is an empty threat and the PC won’t actually do anything. Tell them that their PC came round and said xyz whereas the law states otherwise. Get clarification (although you don’t need it, the law is clear) and the sergeant can deal with the PC. I am a supporter of the police in the UK in general, but I’m not above reporting them for not knowing what the hell they’re talking about. I mean it’s possible they might need training on this particular subject and the only way they are likely to get it is if someone raises it with their superiors. I’ve been a special constable with Police Scotland, so maybe the other UK forces are different, but filming in public is covered in the training. We’re made aware that we can and will be filmed in public and all you can do is to ask nicely that they don’t. If they refuse, move on. You don’t want to make an absolute tit of yourself while being filmed.
It’s quite possible then, what others have stated, that they know one of the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this parents involved and are trying bullying tactics and hope that the person they are using it on folds. You can film anyone, minor or adult, in public places. The only proviso is that you shouldn’t do so in a manner which might be caught by the catch all of causing alarm or distress or harrassment. From a fixed camera such as cctv this isn’t the only requirement, there are several requirements that the ico have for recording public areas with domestic cctv, although granted they’re fairly difficult to enforce/check unless they form part of a legal dispute. There’s a stupid caveat that if you ask someone to stop photographing you in public and the refuse and continue then it ventures into the grounds of harassment, however as OP only has the camera pointed at his own property and by virtue the kids being filmed are actively trespassing (civil matter), simply telling them to F off once fills the requirements for them to then be conducting aggravated trespass (criminal matter).
They’re not necessarily wrong, you can record images from cctv but if it is of a public area, they would have additional responsibilities that the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this ICO would require you comply with, that go beyond what you would normally need for domestic cctv, such as regularly deleting recordings, notifying people of the recording, comply with reasonable requests for copies of recordings of them etc. Note that this is from a fixed camera, so not the same rules as dashcams, recording off mobiles etc. Which are fine in public areas. Not necessarily, operator intent comes into play as well even for council CCTV e.g. Tell them to get the paperwork. They wont be able to as you are not breaking any law. Personally as i am a bit grumpy, i would take it one step further and make a complaint. They should understand the law better when making these ridiculous demands. You are allowed to record your own property.
I wonder what the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this sergeant will say when the officer goes to them when you don’t take the camera down. Something like this I imagine. As others have said, there’s no legal grounds for removing your cameras if they’re only filming your own property and not causing any other problem. Leave them up, let the police say what they want and if they give you any grief about it, report it. Sounds a lot like they’d rather threaten you taking the camera down than have to deal with idiotic parents. PC and PCSO have no idea what they’re on about. As long as the kids aren’t naked, then this isn’t a criminal matter and therefore none of their business. On the civil side, there are basically no civil consequences for this, although officially you should be following data protection law which means doing things like regularly deleting footage, having a sign warning people that you’re using CCTV, etc. The ICO explains this in their guidelines:
But even if you don’t comply with the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this guidance, the ICO won’t do much other than send a strongly worded letter – No-one puts up a sign if they have a camera in their front garden, and you don’t see loads of people being dragged to court by the ICO. The ICO admit this themselves: It is difficult to enforce these rules, as it is not easy to find out if the person acts on a request to delete footage. We wouldn’t find it a fair or balanced action to go into a person’s home to find out if they were complying with the law or take other enforcement action. OP says that they’re not recording outside of their private property boundary, which means they don’t need to display a sign nor will the DPA generally apply in this case. I have two signs up inside my front windows warning CCTV is being recorded, they cost about 50p from ebay and covers my arse quite nicely.
I also told my neighbours about the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this cameras and showed them the footage. Perhaps if the OP had done that the parents wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. As for the cops, all I hear is they don’t have the resources and yet apparently they have unlimited resources to follow up on CCTV complaints. Bear in mind if a crime did take place in your street they would be straight around asking for footage… so you can’t have it both ways Bear in mind if a crime did take place in your street they would be straight around asking for footage… so you can’t have it both ways My local police force is forever asking for CCTV/Ring/(and dashcam) footage. They rely on people filming the street outside their homes. ICO has some good guidance in the form of its domestic CCTV advice so have a read, make sure you’re compliant and print it out and be ready to quote the relevant passages. You really should put in a complaint about both of them. You are legally entitled to record your own property. You are also legally covered to record any public area, with slightly more regulations. The ICO will do nothing about it. They have essentially given you an unlawful order to destroy your property (the data) and forbidding you from doing something you have every right to do. It’s quite clear they are using bully tactics, manipulative wording to try and get you to feel guilty regardless of the actual law where you can video and photo anything in a public place.
You could try posting this to the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this GDPR group, but do look at the CCTV guidelines on the ico website. Certainly they are wrong. NAL Go over the heads of the PC and PCSO and get in contact with the sergeant. Police non-emergency will have an email address for you to send the images of your property line and an image still from your CCTV. Make the subject ‘ATTN crime reference number sergeant name.’ Explain to the sergeant that you’ve been given advice to remove your CCTV of your own private property. The PCSO should have looked at your footage and gone to assure the parents that the only way their child’s image would be captured is if they trespass. That should force parents to parent their children properly The only way the sergeant would be able to ‘get the paperwork’ (under GDPR and DPA) to have your CCTV removed is if you capture a public area or capture a neighbours private property. It sounds like you’ve captured neither. If the PCSO has gone away and told the neighbours that you’ve been told to take down your CCTV then they need to be re-trained. his link gives guidance about home CCTV. There is a link to the ICO website there for more advice on your situation.
NAL, but I would genuinely love to see that paperwork from the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this Sergeant. CCTV cannot record your own property due to the privacy of trespassers? Lol. See also for the actual police advice on this! Personally, I’d complain about how the visit went and what they said to you and ask for them to check their constables and PCSOs actually know what they are talking about because they are overstepping their powers here. If your neighbours are unhappy with the cctv it is a civil matter not a criminal one. It is also their responsibility to make sure their children are not playing on your property, if they do not want their kids on cctv they shouldn’t be in your driveway.
Pretty sure their in wrong. You have angled and blocked out any property that’s not your own and camera only covers the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this land you own. Your only recording what is on your property, you do have to block out things like other peiples windows and such if any caught by angle. Ask them what law you are breaking by having them there (none I believe). In any case, the children are presumably properly dressed. I suspect the PCSO got their ear bent by a neighbour, and went and asked the PC to sort it for them as they didn’t want the hassle. Also PC doesn’t know the law. Ask the PCSO to bring her Sergeant out with the paperwork if she wants to, then point the Sergeant to the ICO’s guidance and tell them to leave. Utter nonsense… You can record appropriate areas but must be clear about both the security of the images and lifetime (ie a reasonable deletion time frame) If in real doubt…call your home insurer. If you have legal cover they will be able to give you legal advice (cctvbisvin their interests after all) Ask them what law specifically you are breaking by having those cameras and what piece of legislation it comes from. I can guarantee that they won’t have an answer because there isn’t one.
My understanding is the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this Information Commissioner is the body that enforces issues with CCTV. The police should only get involved from a safeguarding point of view which clearly isn’t relevant in this case. See more info here from the ICO There are guidelines by the ICO on how you “should” conduct yourself with regard to CCTV, but in a nutshell, you’re absolutely fine in these circumstances. These were scare tactics used to try and strong-arm you into complying, probably as a result of pressure from the parents. You’re even legally able to point your camera in your neighbour’s back garden if you like. The law hasn’t caught up with the influx of cameras being used for dodgy means yet.
On a side note: Whilst not a legal requirement to remove your CCTV, I’d definitely take some time to consider the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this implications of leaving it there. If parents are already throwing around a quiet rhetoric that you’re filming their kids, the speed in which that rhetoric can escalate to molotovs and having the word “nonce” painted on your vehicles and front doors is quite staggering. Sometimes the option of peace is the better option, even if it means frustration and “letting them win”. I had a similar issue at my old premise- if signage is displayed advising that CCTV is recording a private property, then they are informed before they step foot. The psco is an absolute idiot here- more focused on something that has nothing to do with the problem because it’s the easier resolution.
This might help. Generally speaking, I’d say you’re fine given that camera only covers your property and is not for any other nefarious purpose. Once you have a sign or notice to say CCTV is recording then you are covered. Can be as big or as small or even as obscured as you like, but once it’s there. I thought then DPA applied, I.e you have to state that cctv recording is in progress on the I’m From Baltimore That’s Why Derik Queen Signature Doing Tariffic shirt In addition,I will do this property and that images are retained for whatever purpose I don’t think the DPA applies. They’re only recording within their property boundary and they’re not using the footage for anything else beyond personal security. It’s your property so your allowed to film anything on your property like that. Following their logic any shop or workplace or even a school wouldn’t be allowed to have cctv because there’s kids in view. If it’s only on your property and not viewing the street they can’t do anything You’re not going to get an image of someone standing on the public highway damaging your property if you don’t have it in frame. It’s also not practical to record, say, up to the top of your wall. Then all you’ll see is a pair of legs standing on your side of the wall nicking your stuff. Your camera needs to be angled to see a person on your property, which necessitates catching the public highway in the background when there is no person there.

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