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Value in their own lives based on what? Most AN people don’t because of the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but 1.)risks associated with suicide. I’d rather live my life and have it end on my own terms, but that doesn’t mean I’m willing to risk getting brain damage or permanent pain. or 2.)They aren’t depressed, but understand that the position of AN would prefer to not gamble new lives to prevent more of those around them from suffering. Appealing to emotion and using ad hominems only solidifies AN peoples perspective. AN introduces the premise that procreation is wrong. Nothing else. They don’t want to take any action on their own feelings of worthlessness (that’s fine, they shouldn’t), but they want to prevent other people from existing based on their own predispositions. Anti-natalists do not think they are worthless. They just think that suffering is an integral part of existence and new beings should not be subjected to that risk. They argue that if you are never born, you will never feel the lack of potential happiness. On the other hand, once you are born, you will definitely feel some level of pain and suffering. For some more, for some less. Anti-natalists just argue that the reward of potential happiness is not worth the certitude of pain and suffering.

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To counter the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but “haha then why dont you kill urself, gotcha” argument, well a lot of people find death terrifying, a lot of people find life terrifying, so, as to not subject anyone without their consent to those fears, they simple dont make them exist. Thats it really. Their position is to reduce suffering. By unaliving themselves they cause suffering to themselves and their family and friends. It’s the difference between opt-in and opt-out. If, say, getting punched in the face was opt-out, I’d be pretty annoyed that getting punched in the face was the default even though I can choose not to. Humans are wired to be afraid of painful death. If there is a button that I could press and immediately disappear, I will in an instant.
Very much unavailable in many parts of the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but world plus you need to be extremely ill, anything actually accessible for everyone? The only other methods I can think of would be painful but if I had to pick one I think a bullet to the brain would probably hurt less than suffocating or slitting your wrists. And yes I do realize that not everyone can get a gun Bullets to the brain need to enter right, or they get stuck and you survive with brain damage. Even outside of that, we’re painfully resilient. People have survived falling out of airplanes. This entire exercise is just to say that antinatalists that are still here (and suicidal people) may very well want to get out, they need to fight millennia of evolution that fight against it and a society that doesn’t want you to die on your own terms. Most people don’t realize this and just go “hurr durr die then lol” without understanding how fucking difficult it is.

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That’s such a terrible argument. There is a ton of shit imposed on us that we don’t consent to. Consent is important for like, sex, and medical treatments, but most shit is imposed without consent. Consent is not actually super important in a lot of areas of life. This! My condo is surrounded by halls and floors of other tenants. I do not need to consent to them living in my proximity; that would be absurd. We are surrounded by conditions every day that we would probably LOVE to yell ‘I don’t consent’ at just because they’re inconvenient, but we would be infringing on others’ rights and being ridiculous. Most anti-natalists do not protest the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but existence of human being currently alive. They encourage people to not reproduce so as to drastically reduce the population on Earth. These two arguments are very different and the latter is actually pretty true: earth absolutely does not have the ressources to support the current use we make of them, let alone the consumption we would have if the global population increased.
False. Your life wouldn’t have been better, it wouldn’t be at all. We can’t comprehend non-existence but that’s what you’d get without life. I stumbled across the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but antinatalism subreddit the other day, and two things I noticed were that people tended to unfairly blame parents for everything (one person posted a thread saying that they have no empathy for anyone struggling if they had kids, which is fucking stupid) and their arguments go from “parents shouldn’t have kids because the world is awful” to “no one should be alive” to “I wish my parents didn’t have me” to “I wish I was dead”. Antinatalism seems to stem from some personal issues that are linked to suicidal ideation. It’s not a logical philosophy, but rather a call for human extinction brought on by self-hatred.
The sub was quite divided on this. So much so that few years ago it splitted into r/antinatalism2, which bans trash talking and slurs against parents and kids, among other changes, and focus more on the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but philosophical point of view. In its core the question is whether reproduction is moral. The r/antinatalism sub has become a cesspool of simply hateful and bitter people in recent times, its not really about antinatalism anymore. Its just an unmoderated hate bubble with a bunch of trolls from outside aswell, and its why i left it. I think most of the reasonable members went to r/antinatalism2. Dont really follow it anymore. I swear that place is one step removed from being a pro eugenics subreddit. A while ago, I once had anti natalism ideas so I hopped over to that subreddit and was greeted with a thread of someone saying that people who don’t abort babies with down syndrome were evil. I noped out of that subreddit quickly and abandoned all notions of anti natalism shortly after. No clue how i got there, asked what was that place about because their ideas were completely new to me, got downvoted, left. Imbeciles?‍♂️
a subreddit isn’t a good place to judge the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but academic merits of a school of thought. antinatalism is argued for by extremely competent and educated philosophers. Yall have no appreciation for jack. Yes, theres plenty of things wrong with the world, and yes, that sucks, and yes we should be doing everything we can to fix it. But when you consider that human civilization started in caves and so many common things were deadly, and when you consider that fact that I’m communicating to you from across the world on a magical screen, i think youll appreciate the beauty of life some more. Yes, life is a “fatal illness”, but thats an extremely reductionist argument that means nothing by taking away so much context and refusing to acknowledge all of the things that come with it.
No, you did not consent to be born, but you consented to be miserable and refuse to do anything to improve your situation and the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but world. Look I get antinatalism, there’s a lot going on in the world to have second thoughts about bringing another life in the world that’s most likely gonna get a lot harder (if you ain’t rich) before it gets better. I’m never going to have kids, I’m just not made to have them, mentally, financially, but I wouldn’t want to waste hours of my days picketing my message, I’ll just travel, and enjoy my life, or try to at least. Then you’d also know about the stringent rules surrounding these decisions right? It’s much easier to suicide at home than to move there for it.
Maybe you should do some research because that’s not how it works at all. You can’t just walk into a clinic and say “one suicide please!”. do they cater to non citizens? I mean, Ive been wandering the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but wobbly stool isle at home depot for hours and this sounds like a way nicer way to go It hurts my heart when people commit suicide but it’s their life and if they can’t handle the struggle it’s their decision. This could probably resolve a ton of issues. It’s just a bandaid but again it’s not my decision to make. I’ve lived a life of pain and suffering but I still wake up every morning thinking thank god I get to spend another day. It’s sad and kinda disgusting that you would want to put someone through that. Taking another life is not an easy decision, one that most people can’t get over even if justified. Forcing someone to do this is even worse and can haunt those affected for the remainder of their life. I believe there is a special place in hell for those who do this. My brother encountered a suicide by cop a few years back and it’s haunted him since. The purp went at him and his partner with a weapon that turned out to be unloaded with an empty magazine. With constant calls for help in their social media, etc. I mean Ive got a gun if things came right down to it. Would probably do it outside, wouldnt want to risk hitting my neighbors. Ive cleaned up suicides and dealt with them, so you’ll have to forgive me for being a little desensitized to them in general. Well if that is what you choose again it’s your life. I would advise going deep into the woods, let nature do the cleanup. Give back to something.
Lack of genuine conviction; because they know, despite their rhetoric, that life can be something other than suffering. To counter the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but “haha then why dont you kill urself, gotcha” argument, well a lot of people find death terrifying, a lot of people find life terrifying, so, as to not subject anyone without their consent to those fears, they simple dont make them exist. Thats it really. Anti natalist here. I also like my life, but that is because it is subjective. Just because MY life is good, doesnt mean I cannot see how life in this society is OBJECTIVELY bad. You are born into a world were you spend your childhood at school and then your entire adulthood at work. Life itself is wonderful, but its the society we have created, the people at the top who dont help those at the bottom who make it horrible.
Also, I’m not sure how it is but in Belgium you need an uncurable severe desease to be accepted intl assisted suicide. Also if you want funnier death you can always join the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but army. You can find many ways to finish it that will be way funnier as exciting- Nah man, these people need to disappear ASAP, I don’t want my kids to live with these idiots, they are a waste of oxygen. Let’s take that to extreme. All existence is cruel and uncaring. Let’s eradicate the possibility for life to exist anywhere ever again. Time to level up our nukes. Also your just saying that since you can’t experience what it’s like to be a monkey. I’d imagine they’d be pretty jealous of humans rn Last week I was caring for a cat that just gave birth to 5 kittens in my yard and some other cats came and messed up the mother pretty bad and violently mauled 3 kittens to death and the 2 that were left living are missing an eye each with gashes all over their head. Not to mention mother cats that abandon their weaker kittens and refuse to feed them until they starve to death, which seems to be common across the animal kingdom. Demolition Man: “The year is 2032″… “Abortion is illegal, but then again, so is pregnancy if you don’t have a license.”
The original post meant to poke fun at the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but posters “technically being true” is sparking so much debate from antinatalists who are realizing just how laughable their ideas are. Life is beautiful and good. It’s not amoral to still have hope for humanity. Just because you are depressed doesn’t make the rest of us suicidal. I work with the kids at my church and they bring me SO MUCH JOY. I cannot express how I go home every week telling my parents all the details about my time leading nursery. The kids smile and laugh and play. They are SO GOOD at grasping concepts like “share” and “clean up” even at their young ages. They have so much potential and can be anything they want to be- i hope one day the antinatalists can look at humanity with optimism and grace -it’s a lot happier of a reality to live in.
Talk about mental instability… these people hate themselves and their own lives and are taking it out on everyone else. I’d rather hang out with antinatalists than with the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but insufferable, bitter fucks dominating this comment section “Free speech have the consequences of letting everyone hear what idiots think, and that’s fine cause then everybody sees it” Ten percent of people born so far have not yet died. So, simplistically, the chance that one is immortal is at most one in ten. Because the universe is going towards a heat death and humanity will perish anyway. Why delay the inevitable with all the added suffering in the progress? Look I value certain humans. My friends family etc. I don’t value humanity as a whole, as we’re all doing pretty atrocious things (wars, pollution etc.) and of course I don’t value the nonexistent, as they don’t exist. But we’re already going towards extinction, we’re 8 billion and still growing. We’ll probably go under due to our own “success” depleting all resources on this planet just for the sake of growth. To counter the “haha then why dont you kill urself, gotcha” argument, well a lot of people find death terrifying, a lot of people find life terrifying, so, as to not subject anyone without their consent to those fears, they simple dont make them exist. Thats it really. And I think something more humane couldnt exist. Ofc im not actually preaching for enforcement, that would be impossible and draconian, but just make it some food for thought.
Cowards, entitled brats with a holier-than-thou attitude rivaling religious extremists and whom, despite claiming a lot of BS, apparently failed basic biology since they don’t know squat about the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but one single purpose of living. 74 more repliesMurder is also super natural, yet we collectively decided that that’s not super moral, so why couldn’t we argue that procreation may not be super moral? You can’t argue morality without fallacies or assuming stuff as true for no reason. All of explanations by antinatalists of why suffering would be bad I’ve seen so far also appear to nature, so what? Aren’t these making fun of pro-lifers? I mean I’d totally show up with these sign to a clinic just to make them look more stupid then they already are
Lol I have to say the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but anti natalist arguments are solid when delivered in an articulate fashion, but this is not a very sane looking approach. Also, at the very end of the day, nature trumps all, and reproducing is natural so if people want to procreate just let them. “Google antinatalism” is sending me. Like “Yeah, we have time to stand here with our signs, but don’t ask us about it.” How pathetic. I guess no one except eva ai virtual gf bot won’t ever desire to make a step towards reproducing with them. Bruh. A man and a woman who never really got along with each other had sex with each other. And one thing leads to another, and here i am, suffering in life The crux of the antinatalist position is that no life matters, therefore the most direct way of dealing with them is to simply walk up to them, point a gun, and execute them. Either they’ll suddenly find meaning in life or they fulfill their ideology. The most selfish possible thing you can do is create another life. That isn’t a value judgement on whether you should or shouldn’t, but “I forced a person to EXIST because I wanted them to” IS the most selfish thing I can imagine. You fuck, and in doing so, become GOD. Maybe that’s what they mean by “created in God’s image… Okay, you got something which you didn’t request nor agree with. Luckily for you there is a very easy, fast and free resend button. If you really hate the present that much, just return it!
I would never think of telling anyone what to do. If you want to have children, that decision has nothing to do with me. Tbh by reproducing people, and continuing to live the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but way humans do, the next births will probably end sooner and sooner in death until nobody’s left, because the earth will be uninhabitable at that point due to human destruction. So yea, it is technically the truth just not for their reason… I don’t get people who push anti-natalism. Maybe if you hate your life so bad, at least spend it helping people who actually want to live even though they were born “without their consent”. Fuck antinatalists they are no better than “pro life”. Both opposite extremes wanting to control the bodies of others
fr why would you make kids if there is nuclear genocide in few years ( if we are very optimistic then few years) or some other catastrophe that would do it. The National Virgin Convention coming to a school parking lot yield sign post…NEAR YOU! With special guest, The Harlem Globetrotters! Ironically the Niners Win San Francisco 49ers Mining Dubs Poster shirt it is in the first place but anti-natalists will never succeed in their philosophy because their ideology is always a dead end. They take themselves out of the gene pool and they can’t pass the torch and their tenants to a next generation… Because there isn’t one.
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