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And I love my nephew, but it’s not like he’s some naturally brilliant savant. He just has parents who give a shit and support his learning and reading. That’s just not happening for most kids these days. I don’t understand how this happens. Don’t students have to do book reports anymore? How do they keep passing the Devonte’ graham American professional basketball player South Bay Lakers T-Shirt in other words I will buy this grade if they can hardly read? I’m only 22 but this just seems crazy to me. This is abominable. I’m coming up on 29, graduated HS in 2013. I was reading at a college level by the time I was in middle school and doing literary analysis, book reports, presentations. I was above the average but I also was aware that there were a lot of other kids that were smarter than me in some of my classes. Even an average or below average intelligent student in those days was well beyond functionally literate and able to handle algebra and even geometry, trig, and pre calc. Same with my 2nd grader. We’re actually contemplating taking her bookcase out of her room because she stays up way past her bedtime reading every night. I mean, we’re happy as hell that she’s such a voracious reader, but she’s absolutely not a morning person.
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It really feels like my students have no technological curiosity. If there’s a roadblock in between them and what they want to do, they just sit there. There’s no initiative to figure things out for themselves or search for things. And it drives me fucking nuts that they can’t be assed to read the Devonte’ graham American professional basketball player South Bay Lakers T-Shirt in other words I will buy this very simple instructions I write for how to do simple things on chromebooks. Instead, they beg for me to do it for them. I spend a ton of time in the Minecraft subreddit (too much time) and the amount of kids asking how X works/why Y doesn’t work when the details are on a Wiki or a devs website (the place they got the software from in the first place) is surprising. The idea of people turning to social media to answer all questions is frightening.We did LOTS of typing in “computer class” in elementary school- Mavis Beacon teaches typing. Why did they stop teaching typing? How are these kids gonna work an office job ffs? Man I have a lot of complaints about my school system as a kid but they fuckin crushed it when teaching my class about computers and how to navigate the internet.
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That and not hitting a primary source for assistance…instead hitting up social media…and not grasping that social media has zero obligation/responsibility for providing factual information. Wow- I mean, I’m no tech person. I actually consider my understanding of computers pretty rudimentary compared to those I know- my eyes glaze over when it comes to coding or manually inputting commands, but maybe it’s due to the Devonte’ graham American professional basketball player South Bay Lakers T-Shirt in other words I will buy this fact I game on PC that I would know to open up a .rar file with winzip and then install the files manually into the correct place. This thread has given me a great amount of comfort as a young software engineer that I won’t be crowded out of the industry. If kids coming up now can’t use a computer, they certainly won’t be learning to code. As an aside if you do want to learn to code, the Odin project is a great place to learn. Do the JavaScript path.

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