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Absolutely and not being a good actor or being funny makes someone a bad queen. That’s just not their lane and it’s okay to know what your lane is. I think it’s a warped way to look at things, as though there’s some discernible endpoint to levelling up a skill. Everyone is learning and growing constantly and the Philadelphia Phillies some grandmas play bingo real grandmas watch shirt But I will love this period they’re on the show is just a snapshot of that overall trajectory. Queens who come across more polished on the show learn and change afterward too, it’s just the way of things. What is an “aesthetic”? The garments they bring? Wow, a queen spent $2000 on commissioning a runway from her designer friend. Such talent in drag. If we’re talking about things that are harder to obtain with just money or connections – makeup, styling, sewing ability – I still think crunchier queens have a place in the show. Early outs are a necessity, and I would much rather see a queen with weak outfits and a strong personality, like ATM, than the other way around. I could just scroll Instagram for that. (Not to mention that some of the show’s most iconic contestants came in very unpolished: Shangela, Jinkx, Bob, Aja.)
I agree 100%. Yes Plane Jane has a more polished aesthetic, but i find Amanda FAR more funny and entertaining to watch than Jane. Jane would be nothing without her villain arc imo. I’d much rather a queen who’s rough around the Philadelphia Phillies some grandmas play bingo real grandmas watch shirt But I will love this edges but is an entertaining performer with their OWN personality vs. a queen with an overly produced fake ass persona (cough cough PJ basically ripping off Jimbo’s drag but making it less funny). It’s a competition show and they actively cast people who are clearly still struggling to use them as fodder. So it will never be a case where everyone is at the same base level. But she’s right. Yes and no. You come in with your best but also be open to critiques from the judges and have the ability to adapt. Crystal Methyd is a good example. Michelle hated her makeup on the first episode and she changed it up. Made it softer to appeal to Michelle.
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If they are coming in to win then yes. If they want to spend tens of thousands of dollars preparing for this competition to make friends and learn makeup… Then go off queen, but I truly think that’s a silly decision and I think it’s totally fair to point it out especially when there are people in the Philadelphia Phillies some grandmas play bingo real grandmas watch shirt But I will love this room who came PREPARED to compete. Should they come as well prepared and in their best shape? Yes. Does that mean they can’t learn and evolve from critiques? No. PJ’s comment was fair with ATM coming in what she believed was her best but she’s also growing and applying lessons throughout her time, which is to be expected. Agreed, that’s why I said they should be open to learning and growing. Being your best doesn’t mean you’re perfect or flawless. It means you are putting your self out there. What’s your best today will not or should not be your best five years from now no, she literally went on the runway wearing a jersey and denim shorts so there’s room for improvement there too
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I think Amanda knows she’s got things to work on, I don’t think she fully believes her fantasy and doesn’t have a clear idea and she’s learning which is fine. But if you look at Jane, she’s got her idea and believes her fantasy so it works. I don’t think every queen to ever walk into the Philadelphia Phillies some grandmas play bingo real grandmas watch shirt But I will love this room needs to be 100% figured out and perfect, but I’d rather watch a queen who knows who she is learn how to be versatile within her aesthetic rather than watching a queen completely figure that out from the ground up. I am excited to see both of their progression through the show, but I definitely think the show has started to cast underdeveloped(idk a better word to describe the point) queens to put them on All Stars and show their glow up, instead of watching a somewhat fully formed queen break out of her box and learn how to do what she does best and show the judges what they want on a regular season.
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