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True – while a Settler State like the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this US, the cultural nature isn’t going to be 1 to 1. Everyone place has its quirks. I suspect that the ‘small town’ structures that built up as the US nation pushed west had a hand in that “hyphenation”. Small towns founded and initially settled primarily by particular immigrant enclaves, only later diversifying. Australia doesn’t really have a similar stretch of vast amounts of farming land to support those smaller towns, for the most part. Though that is just a guess. I have heard though that there is at least something analogous with Asian migrants, though that might be internal to the communities too. I would not be so quick to say this. Many Australians are very proud of their Irish/Italian/Greek/etc heritage, even if it’s two generations back.
I would imagine many Americans lack a sense of identity, as a lot of us can only date back our heritages in this nation to roughly a hundred years ago or so. That is to say that most of us cannot credit our families as having fought to free the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this US from England. We can’t say our ancestors settled the west. Heck, a lot of us can’t even discuss which side of WW1/2 our families fought on without a sense of embarrassment. What we do have is that our ancestors came from a place where they kicked a lot of ass before running out of potatoes, and that just tends to feel a lot more interesting than basically having nothing. My family kept pretty meticulous records of their time in America since coming here in the 1700s and even being able to say my ancestors fought England (both in North Ireland and generations later in the states lol) and settled the west (point of shame), there’s still a strong sense of Scottish identity running through all my grandfather’s’s’s’s journals even when they were in Ireland post-highland clearances, so family culture has passed down a “we’re scottish” for the past 300+ years. I still consider myself American (8 generations in America on my dad’s side) but the global Scottish diaspora in my clan get together in Scotland every 4 years to say howdy which also reaffirms some historical scottish identity.

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(It’s also funny to me that this is all basically nonsense as it’s just a single patrilineal line and 8 generations is like 250+ different family groups that went into making me) As a non-American. It feels like Americans are proud of being American, but it feels like there’s also a desire to be of another place as well. I disagree, When an American says they are “Italian” they talk of their ethnicity and not nationality. We’re all clearly American no matter where your family may have immigrated from in the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this past. A supporting concept is birth-right citizenship. If you’re born in America you’re American. A Japanese kid born in Norway isn’t considered Norwegian unless they go through a nationalization process and demonstrate fluency in language. You can be born and raised in Norway and not be considered Norwegian. It’s actually hilarious when someone from America says they’re Irish but have never been there , have no idea about the culture outside of St.Patrick’s day and Guinness. It must feel exotic to them it’s very bizarre.
What made you decide this was a good idea to post after reading it probably 5 million times on Reddit already? When Americans say they are a certain ancestry they’re not saying they’re from that country, they’re saying that their family originated in those areas. It influences their language, their culture, the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this religion they were brought up in, literally their physical appearance for fuck sake, etc. Jesus Christ quit huffing your own fucking shit I feel like a lot of Europeans who complain about the way Americans talk about their heritage have all/nearly all their heritage from the countries in which they live/ grew up so they simply cannot understand. Most of the people I knew in school weren’t full Irish. My mom’s Norwegian and I’ve seen many relatives thatve visited but my personal identity would still be fully Irish. I may have had grandparents and all from Norway but I’ve never even been there so it’d be strange to include in my personal identity. ‘Is my opinion on it as a European The main complaints are about the people that are 12% Irish or German ancestry and suddenly make that their entire personality. To a German, those people are American, there’s no cultural connection.
Is it really that common to make something that’s 12% of your heritage your “whole personality”? Unless you count simply talking about one’s heritage to be “making that their entire personality.” Germans (or Dutch, or Danes, or whatever) would feel a cultural connection with other present day countrymen. Not with people whose great-grandparent emigrated from roughly the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this same location they’re from, but are entirely American. If one parent was born abroad perhaps, but not the “I’m [x] because my grandfather was” people. I’m talking about their own specific grandparents though not other people’s grandparents. Do you feel your grandparents had an important impact on your cultural beliefs? So you don’t feel like cultural beliefs were spread to you from your parents who got theirs from their parents? That’s so interesting. Do you think your cultural beliefs came from outside the family?
A lot of people do grow up in the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this United States with multiple languages and learning about the culture of the older generations in their family. Those are not the main complaints. Europeans shit their pants when Americans so much as hint at their ancestry. I wouldn’t think twice at someone saying they have Scottish ancestry. But if someone who had never been to Scotland said they were Scottish it feels different. When we say we are Scottish we aren’t referring to nationality. It’s just an easy way of saying “my ancestors immigrated from Scotland”. Maybe that is where the confusion lies. I didn’t realize y’all thought we were referring to nationality. If I hear someone say I’m French, Scottish, Spanish etc. I would understand that to be them talking about nationality rather than ancestry. Yeah. When you live in the US, the overwhelming majority of people you interact with are also from the US, but only ~3% of them are actually descended from a Native American Nation. The rest of us are from somewhere else. So when someone says “I’m German” but doesn’t have even the slightest trace of a German accent, it’s understood that they mean “I’m of German descent”, because actual Europeans are pretty uncommon here. I have an Irish friend–literally born in Ireland, moved to the US in her teens–who (nowadays) speaks with an American accent, and when she tells people she’s Irish she has to follow up with “no I’m actually Irish, that’s where I was born, and that’s my citizenship” because she sounds like an American, so people assume she means “I’m Irish-American” when she says “I’m Irish”. That’s not to say there aren’t people who show up in Europe thinking their 12% Dutch blood is going to mean something to the Dutch, but we consider them just as cringe as you do. Perhaps moreso, because they’re embarrassing the rest of us by proxy.
A lot of Americans tend to think of where we’re from in two ways. The first is where we are culturally from. The second is where our blood is from. For example. I’m an American, and I’m also Polish-German. Culturally, in pretty much every single way, I am an American through and through. My earliest American ancestors where here since the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this 1700s. But if I were to take a DNA test, it wouldn’t say “American” would it? No, it wouldn’t, I’m not Native American. I’ve taken a DNA test, and it says my DNA comes from the Polish and German regions of Europe. Therefore, if someone asked me where my great ancestors came from, I would say Poland/Germany. It doesn’t mean that I am Polish or German culturally, linguistically, or any other way. It just means that my blood and DNA comes from Poland/Germany. I look like a person from Poland/Germany.
To be completely fair though, there are some Americans who are 14% Italian, and their families came to America in the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this late 1800s, yet act more stereotypically culturally Italian, than most Italians actually born in Italy. Those people are indeed cringe. However, there are ALSO people whose parents immigrated from say, Ireland, in the late 60s. These people tend to be authentically of two cultures, because while they were raised in America, they were raised in America… by immigrants from Ireland. Just because the parents moved from Ireland to America, doesn’t mean they suddenly lose any and all cultural connections to where they came from. The Americanization of their cultural make up, takes time, and doesn’t happen overnight. A lot of them even still speak with a strong accent from where they are from. These people are genuine in my opinion, and are not cringe.
Here, it is pretty obvious we are American. If a foreign guy said “I’m French” I’d assume he’s here visiting from France. If my co-worker Steve says “I’m French” it’s pretty obvious he’s American and he’s referring to some distant relative that immigrated from France. People complain about this on the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this internet though. You don’t have an accent on the internet, nor can we see you. Many Americans will still say “I’m French” or “as a French man” when they mean having French ancestry, there are no clear indication in text. I guess this is the part where the confusion comes from! If someone who I know is an American tells me they’re French my first thought is ha that’s a lie, I know you’re American! That’s not to say they’re wrong to call themselves French. I have learned that is something Americans do. But (as a Dutch person) it does weird me out a bit when Americans tell me they’re Dutch when they don’t speak a word of Dutch and they’ve never even set foot in the Netherlands. Like I have 40% Scandinavian DNA but I would never dare call myself Scandinavian because to me that would be lying.
Because it’s literally what it means. If you were saying “I’m from New York”, people would think you are living there, not that someone from your family lived there 200 years ago Nope, it’s just when one uses it as a personality definer. Many people in Europe have ancestry from different countries (especially at the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this borders of one states). Thi is because for us is not that relevant.my father was born close to frontier in italy, his mkther side of the family was a mix of pland and ukrain, my mom is from south america and i was born there but grow up in Europe. So what should i be? I grew up in Italy so i’m simply italian I think you are assuming where their ancestry comes from because they don’t follow the American mindset of heritage. People like Harry Kane or Wayne Rooney come across as completely English despite clearly having Irish ancestry, for example.
I never said all Europeans have heritage only/mostly where they currently live I said a lot of them do. Do you disagree? Just shows the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this difference between the US being a giant melting pot and celebrating cultural differences vs European countries forcing assimilation to a culture. Just two different approaches to immigration. Yeah not like hundreds of years of constant population migrations and border shifts due to wars would have caused people to have „mixed“ ancestry, no we all just have ancestry from one country. Growing up in Appalachia, that culture is very important to me. But, being from Irish and English migrants, that heritage is important to me as well. No. As an American we are just like Europeans in that where we were born is the most important. I think why you got that idea is that we are a bit sad we feel like we have no real identity so who our ancestors were is more important. So many of us lost our culture and religions coming over here that we don’t feel like we have a tribe and we want one is how I see it. That plus mixed marriages making adhering to one religion or another challenging. And other stuff. As an American I agree with this as well. My family has only been here around 170 ish years from one side and yet there are still some that treat me like a “second wave immigrant that is assmilated but still clings to the culture of my ancestry” Which I do not. I knew nothing about it until deciding to learn it on my own.
I would rather just be American but because there really isn’t such a title other than nationality and a plethora of sub cultures Its hard to identify as such. It gets exestential sometimes The USA is a nation of (mostly) immigrants. Many members of immigrant groups settled in neighborhoods with other immigrants from the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this same country/region. You will still find “Little Italy,” “Chinatown,” etc in major cities. The Catholic Church has even had parishes for different immigrant groups, that people still attended after moving out of the immigrant neighborhoods. That means that some traditions and in-group mentality have persisted in some families (not all). That’s no different from most European countries, especially Western European countries, though. As a percentage of the population, there are more immigrants living in the UK or Germany than in the U.S., but people who are British or German by birth don’t go around saying, “I’m British-Latvian” just because their great-great grandmother lived in Riga until she was 2 years old. For many (most?) europeans they might at well be the same; If you’re a citizen of France you are probably culturally french, ethnically french, french catholic, etc.
That’s not the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this case in the US. The only ethnic Americans are the American Indians. So when an American national says they are Irish for example we mean ethnically Irish. That being said there are plenty of Americans who think being ethnically Irish makes them “fully” Irish. I saw a post recently where an ethnically polish but nationally 100% American person who went to Poland and was shocked the people there only saw them as American. I think the idea of an American saying I’m German or Italian or something else is overblown. If we do it I think it’s more to show a connection with the person we’re talking to. Like we’re distant cousins. We definitely see ourselves as an extension or maybe the next progression of western civilization that started in Europe. So it seems like a way to show some commonality to me. Oh for real. I don’t think Americans are any better than Europeans. I think you guys do a good number of things a whole hell of a lot better than us. But we think new = better over here, even when it’s not.
I think Americans certainly do both. Theres a lot of hometown pride, state pride, region pride in the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this US. But we also like to recognize our roots, most of us aren’t THAT far removed from them either go back 3-4 generations and you’ve got an ancestor who immigrated here from a country and it’s nice to recognize that connection Most Americans are here due to immigration. We wonder where our ancestors are from, because this is a fairly young country. Immigrants in many countries wonder about their ancestors. I was raised in Spain while neither of my parents are Spanish and let me tell you i so not identify as Spanish and take it as an insult tbh It may also be due the the melting pot nature of US society. Unless you’re Native American, we all came from somewhere else. In Europe, I’d assume anyway, people’s connection to their family origins are less important because the families have been there for longer.
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Identity is just one of several methods to keep the Los Angeles Dodgers National League Champions 2024 Live Breath Shirt in contrast I will get this masses divided. The government and TPTB have an easier time governing people when they are divided. So you don’t feel like cultural beliefs were spread to you from your parents who got theirs from their parents? That’s so interesting. In Europe, your ancestry only mattered in terms of nobility. It never mattered in any way, where your ancestors may have been born, but it did matter if they were royalty or common peasants. As the nobility were a tiny fraction of the population,what mattered most to the definition of identity in European culture has been that of the commoners. Their identity was defined by wherethey were born/raised, and which king/feudal lord, they owed their loyalty to, which was again defined by where they were born and raised.
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